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Anonymous said: (Steves name anon) oh and Natasha as well, she calls him Steve, I forgot for a sec, whoops sorry Nat!!!
Dude, I got a lot of thoughts on this bc it’s the same the other way around. Steve is the only one to actually call Bucky his name too. Like consistently refer to him by his name.
Crossbones does it when talking to Steve bc he knows the emotion it brings up in Steve gives him a tactical advantage. Zemo does it when he’s pretending to be the psychologist after Bucky says “My name is Bucky” bc it would be suspect if he hadn’t and he wasn’t trying to arise suspicion at that point.
But Nat only calls him Barnes, Sam only calls him Barnes or doesn’t use a name and just uses pronouns like “Whoever he was before and who he is now, I don’t think he’s the kind you save, he’s the kind you stop”, T’Challa either calls him Barnes or simply just refers to him as Steve’s friend, Tony either refers to him as Barnes or Steve’s friend or makes some joke like “Manchurian Candidate”. Steve calls him Bucky though.
And from what I can remember, you’re right, Nat and Bucky are the only ones that call Steve by Steve and not just Rogers or Cap.And I think it’s because Steve is the only person that knows there’s a good and kind person that’s been hurt and tortured to become TWS. Like the others know on a superficial level that he wasn’t born TWS, but Steve’s the only one that actually knows the person. See’s the person first and what he was made into second. The others are still seeing TWS first and by not using his name it sorta reinforces that they don’t see the person more than a potential threat.
And Bucky is the only person alive that knows Steve as Steve first and as Cap second. That knew the person before they knew the legend. So he hasn’t really ever thought of him as Captain America, he’s always thought of him as Steve and that was enough. And with Nat, they’ve made such effort to show how Nat is the person he’s closest too in the 21st century. And she calls him Rogers for a lot of TWS, but mostly Steve in CW. Maybe bc she’s finally seen enough of him that she now sees who he is before she sees who he’s presented to be. And I think we’ll get there with Sam too, bc Nat and Sam are really the only people in the 21st century that have cared enough to want to know more than just Captain America.First names individualise people. It’s far more difficult to see someone as an abstract concept if you call her/him for her/his first name. Turning someone into an individual is seeing her/him as a human being, and that makes hurting that person, in any possible manner, much harder.
In The Hunger Games, Katniss doesn’t really care about the names of the other tributes, for she may have to kill them. In Stranger Things, we have a character named Eleven because she was seen as a guinea pig instead of an individual. In The Force Awakens, Finn becomes Finn because Poe refuses to call him by his “real” name, FN-2187. Names matter. Last names matter, but first names? They symbolise who you are.
No one but Steve wants to see Bucky as a human being. It’s easier to consider Bucky as a sort of zombie, devoid of that which makes him human. It’s not just Tony and T’Challa. It’s easier for everybody not to consider Bucky as a person.
I suppose this is why Clint introduces himself to T’Challa and he says he doesn’t care. T’Challa doesn’t want to know who is the human being standing in front of him. Clint must be acknowledged like an individual, after all, he was brainwashed before, having had his individuality stolen.
Later, T’Challa learns that you cannot erase the human being standing in front of you. He learns that even Zemo is not devoid of humanity. Of course he knows that Bucky and Zemo’s actions resulted from very different inputs, Bucky being a victim and Zemo a culprit. Nonetheless, he learns he cannot pretend Zemo isn’t a person and, therefore he must answer to humanity as a whole, and not only to himself, T’Challa.
To me, the Captain America movies are centered around the concept of identity and individuality. Steve is never seen as Steve. He is just a medical chart, just a chorus girl, and then, when he makes Captain America finally be Steve Rogers, he “dies”. And during his time frozen, Captain America became someone who isn’t really Steve Rogers, so people expect him to be this person who isn’t really Steve Rogers. This is why he is always Captain, Cap or Rogers.
Natasha saw past the Captain America persona. She saw Steve, the little guy from Brooklyn. And Bucky, who never saw Captain America as anything other than Steve Rogers, still sees Steve, instead of this supreme entity called Captain America. This is why Steve knows Bucky remembers him, Steve Rogers, and not Captain America. When he asks Bucky if he knows who he, Steve, is, Bucky says “You’re Steve. I read about you in a museum”. If he didn’t really know from first hand experience who was the man in front of him, he would have said “You’re Captain America. I read about you in a museum”.
Both Steve and Bucky are more than their aliases, but both are “tainted” by preconceptions that come from their public personas. Identity and image are central in the Captain America movies. If Tony Stark and Iron Man are one (if I’m not mistaken Tony says as much in one of the MCU films), Steve Rogers is not one with Captain America, and Bucky Barnes is not one with the Winter Soldier. Calling them Steve and Bucky is seeing the individuals.
That is the reason why the mirroring of the scenes “who the hell is Bucky?” and “my name is Bucky” is so important. When he doesn’t know who he is, Bucky is the asset, the murderer, the bad guy. When he does know who he is, Bucky is the prisoner, the victim. It’s perfect soldier versus good man. The perfect soldier has no name. The good man does.
Similarly, Captain America is the perfect soldier and Steve Rogers the good man. Moreover, Steve spends three movies trying to make people see that Captain America is a good man and not a perfect soldier. Ultimately, he concludes this cannot be, so he gives up the shield. He doesn’t want to be a perfect soldier, he wants to be a good man, but people still look at Captain America as the perfect soldier. In a sense, what Erskine told him is transformed into “not Captain America, but Steve Rogers”.
Of course the public perceptions of Captain America and the Winter Soldier are not fabrications that have nothing to do with the men. However, those personas ended up becoming something on their own, and where we left Steve and Bucky, they need to just be themselves, aliases aside.
And I guess I trailed off. I’m sorry, Steve has a tendency to bring that on me.
Anyway you’re the only person I ever want adding anything to my posts ever again talk to me about these characters forever please